NCIA Member Profile: MBank

In the course of less than a week at the end of January, Oregon-based MBank went from announcing that they would be doing business with cannabis companies in Colorado to breaking the news that they would be retreating from Colorado for the time being, unable to support the infrastructure required to offer these services in the state. As NCIA’s first bank member, we sat down with CEO Jef Baker to ask a few questions and get to know them better.

Cannabis Industry Sector:

Financial Services

NCIA Sustaining Member Since:

December 2014

One of MBank's brick and mortar locations in Lake Grove, OR.
One of MBank’s brick and mortar locations in Lake Grove, Oregon.

How does MBank uniquely serve the cannabis industry?  

One of MBank’s goals is to serve the underserved. We recognize that serving the cannabis industry very much meets that objective. With that mission in mind, we set about figuring out how to provide banking services. We’re a little unique in that way as a bank has to be creative and innovative in order to go about solving problems.

Why should cannabis industry professionals looking for financial services use MBank?

While we recognize there are very few banks legitimately operating in this space and therefore few good choices for cannabis industry professionals, our hope is people choose to bank with us for the same reason anyone does. That means they understand what we’re about and hopefully appreciate wanting to partner with someone that has a vision they agree with. Beyond wanting to change the status quo with regards to banking, we also take great pride in customer service through treating people with respect.

NCIA’s primary mission includes advocating for equal access to banking, but many banks in this country are reluctant or not willing to work with cannabis business owners. What are your thoughts on the future of banking in the cannabis industry? How will this situation improve for the industry going forward?  

Smaller banks will most likely lead the way as they tend to embrace innovation a little more than larger institutions. As banks successfully demonstrate their ability to serve this industry, more banks will follow. If there are additional changes at the federal level, that most likely would generate more banks entering this space.

What are some of the challenges that banks have to deal with to do business with the cannabis industry?

CEO Jef Baker inside one of MBank's Oregon locations.
CEO Jef Baker inside one of MBank’s Oregon locations.

Our challenge is to make sure we support and serve customers who understand that compliance is critical. We feel it is extremely important to ensure we implement strong policies and procedures, especially for new lines of business. The systems created are not designed to be intrusive or overbearing, but they are developed to help us manage risk, as we interpret it, as well as those that regulate us.

Do you still want to do business in Colorado, or other states?  

The reason we are one of the first banks to so aggressively enter this space is part of our mission is to serve a completely underserved market. We very much want to serve customers in Colorado but have discovered we need to build our program to better handle the huge volume there.

How do you characterize your relationship with regulators on marijuana banking?  

It is our belief that regulators do not object to their banks providing services to the cannabis industry. We believe they do have a high expectation of their banks developing strong compliance programs in this area. This is new and we are all learning together. It is critical for us to have a strong relationship with our regulators.

Why did you join NCIA?  

MBank offers banking services for the cannabis industry in Oregon.
MBank currently offers banking services for the cannabis industry in Oregon.

We believe this organization wants to see the cannabis industry be treated fairly by helping ensure that quality banking services are available. That is right in line with our mission of serving the underserved. Our position is not one that supports legalization or advocacy for legal matters (that is for others), but rather a focus on providing an industry banking services they deserve, which means both access to services as well as treating people with respect. We believe NCIA is an organization that will allow us to further and pursue that vision.

If you are a member of NCIA and would like to contribute to the NCIA blog, please contact development officer Bethany Moore by emailing bethany@thecannabisindustry.org. 

 

Guest Post: Banking Access – The Struggle Is Real for CannaBusiness Owners

By Luke Ramirez, Walking Raven LLC

Bank accounts — normally, the most basic thing a business does when starting out is start a business checking account. Those of us in the cannabis industry, however, are very well aware of the struggle to get even basic banking while openly violating federal law. It has been an issue for cannabis companies for years; NCIA’s own Taylor West recently spoke about the banking challenges cannabis companies face in a Huffington Post article, stating, “It’s the biggest problem we have.”

Luke Ramirez, Walking Raven LLC Photo courtesy of Kim Sidwell
Luke Ramirez, Walking Raven LLC
Photo courtesy of Kim Sidwell

As an owner and operator of a retail marijuana center and cultivation warehouses, with a company, Walking Raven, which has been kicked out of more than seven banks in the last five years (including the loss of personal bank accounts), I can personally attest that this could be the most difficult part of running a cannabis company. Although there are pricey alternatives out there, the security risk of transferring and storing large amounts of cash invites crime from the criminal underworld, severely increasing your safety liability as a company. An additional burden comes with the very high cost of time it takes to manage all this cash and pay basic bills, such as power, water, and other utilities. In my company alone, we estimated a cost of over $13,000 in 2014 simply from the time it took to handle our cash.

NCIA has been an outstanding resource for myself and many other of my colleagues in tackling the banking issue. NCIA’s supportive network of other cannabis professionals has given me the advice and contacts I need to operate my business successfully, including banking. If you’re having issues with banking, I suggest that you reach out to your colleagues in NCIA for reputable ideas, or join NCIA if not already a member.

Thankfully, for the industry as a whole, the issue has been covered by the media and brought to light to the general public in much more depth in the last year since adult-use cannabis sales began on 1/1/2014; even Playboy Magazine covered the issue of banking in the cannabis industry last summer. In Colorado, Governor John Hickenlooper, who opposed the legalization of cannabis, asked the federal government to help Colorado with cannabis banking issues. In Washington State, the only other state to allow adult-use cannabis sales in 2014, the Liquor Control Board has also taken steps to help cannabis companies obtain banking, by making publicly available the sales activity of licensed growers, sellers, and processors.

Because of this exposure and the efforts of Colorado’s and Washington’s public officials, there have been major recent steps toward “above-table” banking for cannabis companies. On November 19th of last year, regulators in Colorado granted a charter to a credit union that hopes to work with cannabis companies; the union is now waiting upon an issuance of a master account number from the Federal Reserve to allow it to enter the country’s electronic banking system. In addition, there have recently been creditable solutions offered by one of NCIA’s own board members. While it is yet to be seen if these solutions are long-term, we are closer than we ever have been before to normalized banking.

A budtender at the Walking Raven shop
A budtender at the Walking Raven shop

While we continue to wait for a mainstream solution for every cannabis company, dispensary owners and cultivators should:

  • Leverage their networks and gain contacts that can provide banking contacts. I recommend joining NCIA and taking advantage of the group’s reputable network if you have not done so already.
  • Avoid any kind of activity that could be construed as money laundering and therefore put your business in serious jeopardy. This kind of activity includes lying about the nature of your business to a bank, or using your personal accounts for a large amount of business activity.
  • Look into security companies that offer to handle your cash and eliminate the safety liability of using large amounts of cash. They are expensive, but may be well worth the cost for your business.
  • Once you obtain banking, avoid “obvious” cannabis transactions. Use cash to pay any vendor that has an obviously cannabis-related name that you must write a check out to.
  • When using cash, make sure to save all invoices, and get signed receipts from vendors and signed pay-stubs from employees; this will leave a much-needed paper trail in the event of an audit or investigation.

Luke Ramirez is owner and managing director of Walking Raven, LLC, a sustaining member of NCIA. Luke was also recently elected to NCIA’s Board of Directors. Luke has actively been in the cannabis industry since 2009. Since taking control of his company’s operations in 2011, he has changed the entire culture of the shop and successfully completed the process of converting all 3 licenses from medical to retail. Within his organization, he is responsible for all finance management, staffing, compliance reporting, marketing/inventory control, and public relations, among other things. Luke has been featured on many media outlets, such as CNBC, national CBS, and numerous local news stations. He is also actively involved in multiple cannabis trade organizations, lobbying efforts, and advocacy groups.  

Guest Post: Tax Time – Using an LLC To Minimize Section 280E Selling Costs

By Luigi Zamarra, CPA

Are you a distributor or retailer of cannabis products? If so, you incur lots of expenses that could be deemed subject to Section 280E of the federal tax code: all of your sales, advertising and delivery costs. One of the largest categories of these expenses is wages & salaries.

Luigi Zamarra, Luigi CPA
Luigi Zamarra, Luigi CPA

CHOOSING YOUR COMPANY’S LEGAL ENTITY

Although there are many legal considerations when choosing the right type of legal entity for your business, one consideration that is often overlooked is Section 280E. Corporations, including S corporations, are required to pay reasonable salaries to owners and officers working in the business. By “reasonable” in this context we mean a certain minimum salary amount. This requirement is due to Social Security tax issues that are beyond the scope of this article. The point is that owners must draw a salary and if that owner is involved in selling, marketing and/or delivery, then these salaries are subject to disallowance under 280E.

IS A LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY RIGHT FOR MY BUSINESS?

A Limited Liability Company is different in this regard. There is no requirement to pay a salary to the business owner who works the business. Instead the net profit of the business is the income reported by the owner. (This applies to both single-member LLCs as well as to multi-member LLCs that are taxed like partnerships.) When owners report net income rather than salary, then they have no salary expense to be disallowed under Section 280E.

CONSULT YOUR CPA

Note that this benefit does not have to be limited only to the founder-LLC member. It is possible, with proper advice and planning, to create an LLC structure whereby all of the workers get treated as LLC members. Such a structure could substantially reduce your 280E expenses and give you the competitive advantage you need to succeed.


Want to learn how to navigate the complex tax & legal landscape of the growing cannabis industry? 
Join us for NCIA’s first Cannabis Tax And Law Symposium on January 21-22, 2015 in San Diego, CA, offering CPE and/or MCLE credits to attorneys or accountants that attend to learn more about these important topics! Register today.

Luigi Zamarra, CPA, has been a member of NCIA since 2013. Luigi CPA is an accounting firm located in Oakland, CA, that helps all types of businesses and individuals with tax planning, tax compliance, and tax dispute services. Luigi specializes in the medical marijuana industry. He helps these businesses comply with IRC Section 280E so as to balance tax cost against audit examination risk.

*Disclaimer: NCIA does not provide legal or financial services or advice. Any views or opinions presented in this guest blog post are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the organization. You must not rely on the legal information on our website as an alternative to legal or financial advice from your lawyer or other professional services provider.

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